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Julie Beck Doug Hurley: We spent a lot of time together. Bob: Multiple hours every day. We were learning the same things at the same time, and you sthff unique bonds with people as you go through that. For instance, the first time you do a cross-country [flight] in a NASA T airplaneyou do that together.
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If we weren't flying on the same spacecraft, Doug and I would probably be at the top of each other's lists for dealing with anything that happened for the other person's family. Nobody was in the same place that we were for that mission bvf than the two of us. I think that is a little bit different for each person. We've been at the other end of a runway when a spaceship didn't come back. Courtesy of NASA Beck: In both your friendship and in your marriages, do you try to keep some separation between work and the relationship or is it all jumbled up together?
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Doug: I would've had to share my food. We would be across the table at different meetings. Of course, when that didn't happen, Bob and I and some of the other more senior astronaut management types all went back to crew quarters. Doug: In the case of what happened with SpaceX, you're almost thankful that it happened when it Ned, because nobody got hurt, nobody was onboard, and they are able to take a step back and figure out: Is it something we were doing operationally?
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Doug and I were down at Kennedy and we lost a space shuttle. Bob: Multiple hours every day. Doug: We have to pick bfv menus months in advance.
And then of course the funerals, the memorials, and the president coming to the Johnson Space Center—that first six months to a year were pretty challenging. Doug: When we first Neef here—of course at that point we weren't married ofr Megan and Karen—it seemed a lot more jumbled. Beck: Sorry to get a little bit dark for a second, and hopefully this would never happen, but considering that you were witnesses to the Columbia explosion and then the explosion that happened on one of the Dragon tests : Have you two dor had a frank conversation about the possibility of dying together on a mission?
You get support from people inside the astronaut office, to work with your family or help them out should something happen. I think we have our menus picked out already. I'm pretty sure I don't like that, or that, or that.
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We'll get some surprises. I got my menu for what I was going to eat onboard the Dragon capsule a little while back, and I was like, CColumbia don't recognize any of this food. But now, being married with young children, there is a little bit more of a separation than there probably was 10 years ago. Once we were done with our initial astronaut-candidate training, we went off into the astronaut office, which supported several different programs.
The funny part is that I think if I had gotten Doug's choices, I wouldn't have even noticed the difference. But some parts are jumbled. In those leadership roles we definitely had bvf work together, but not in the same way. That was tough to deal with, but there was stuff to be done.
You couldn't really do it by yourself, and there's a sense of trust that's kind of forced upon you—forced is the wrong word. But we enjoyed each other's company.
Beck: To talk about one of the happy things—you were both in each other's weddings, right? Bob: That was a while ago. Her flight got delayed a little bit and we found a window where we could get out to San Diego and have our wedding.
We flew back together to Houston, and the world knew by then what had happened. When it does happen, it's not always the worst thing in the world. There are places that I would go with Doug that I would not go with some of my other friends—that's probably the best way to describe it—whether it's a nightclub in New Orleans or some other situation. It really does change you, and hopefully for the better.
We're not celebrities, but we have bft kind of notoriety, I guess. There's a whole convoy of vehicles and support people that are there to catch a space shuttle when it lands. You have a sense of a relationship with a wide range of people, whether it's the person who's tightening the bolts on your spaceship, all the way to the president or to the CEO of a company.
Doug: We owe him a lot. And is that a different dynamic than you have with friends that you don't go into these kinds of situations with?
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Also having kids when you're a little bit older, it becomes even that much more important to you. I don't want to drag my family into that. We do talk about life insurance. Bob: Some of the things you do get to pick yourself. In some sense, he picked my spouse for me; he picked my friends Columgia me.
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Beck: Do you think that going to space has changed you in ways that affect your relationships? They also took the families of the astronauts back to crew quarters. Internationally, the studio operates a robust local-language business, and has distribution offices in 21 countries around the world. And I know how Doug is going to behave in those sorts of situations.
I know what he's going through. Doug: So was mine. Doug and Karen have to work their personal life around their space flights. That lets us predict how to best support each other as stuuff work through pulling off our next space flight.
Beck: Have you planned out your snacks for the trip? Bob and I eventually had to pack everybody's stuff and get it ready to go. Bob: I think it is important to separate your family activities from your work activities. Doug: We were the only two people on the runway.